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Hi Reece,

Another great article. Here's a fun little fact: When the Toronto Bypass (now Highway 401) was being built, many of these farmers used the same arguments we see now with Alto.

However, after a little money, and expropriation, the highway was built.

I also find it very funny that Doug Ford is trying to pander to the NIMBY's by suggesting the train corridor follows Highway 401, but is very adamant on bulldozing swaths of land for the Bradford Bypass (Highway 413).

The next argument that we botched Crosstown, therefore we can't build rail is also flat. I cannot speak about what happened, but the conditions that caused Crosstown does not apply to exposed rail. We are also forgetting places like Vancouver, who built the SkyTrain in a fairly quick manner.

All in all, I've kinda taken a step back with the public transit discourse, especially online. It can get very draining, and it reminds me of mudslinging at times. It's nice to read a level-headed article with nuance.

Thanks Reece, happy long weekend.

Best regards,

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What few want to discuss is why a passenger railway has to be in the public sector, and why pipelines can be in the private sector. Also, what few on either side want to discuss what the largest barrier to building pipelines is today and how it applies to railway construction, and how REM was the exception to that. Or how the failure to be an of exception was the cause of CDPQ withdrawing from REM East.

There are private and public goods, and costs of choices made by individuals that affect many others. Other highway users of crowded highways have cause to want as many others as possible to be taking other means. Every driver who has a cause such that transit or inter-city rail is not good for them (excessive baggage, a bunch of people traveling together, etc.) should hope that it is the best choice for as many other potential drivers as possible. A single train carrying 600 people is likely removing 400 or so cars from the road. The difference between 1800 vehicles/hour and 2200 in a lane is the difference between crowded flow and stopped. The lion's share of the benefit of that railway does not find its way into the market transactions.

Having said that, stability in the regulatory regime, the ability to actually plan and move forward without constant political risk and demand for changes that are simply not viable, and also not seeking the maximalist projects that will create their own failures, are all requirements for getting things done. This, along with no dangerous political grandstanding to create risk that is not required. I will be the first to say, the Ottawa-Montreal portion of the project for high speed should be the easiest, and the hardest to create honest doubt about alternatives around. Even if looking at this in city pair terms (how I believe it should be) this is the portion that Via already owns, that requires substantial straightening to make fast, and the one with the least outlandishly expensive construction.

I have real doubts about the Toronto Ottawa proposals, serious questions about a stop in Peterborough and how that would make sense, given the travel time implications for the entire route. If you are ok with that, why not just invest in the existing Montreal-Toronto corridor, removing level crossings, straightening the few spots where 200 kp/h plus speeds are not possible now, and add 2 more pair of tracks? The promised travel time requires an average travel speed just shy of 190kph, where the 70km across Ottawa, and the 60 or so on approach to both Montreal and Toronto are likely to be below 120.

That is likely 100 minutes of the promised 180 will perforce be required to cover the 190 km of the 560 or so km (leaving 80 minutes to cover the remaining 370). So, 5 minutes stopped, plus slowing, and speeding up for Peterborough would seem material. Even a 5-minute stop would likely mean losing 7 or 8 minutes in travel time, time you don't have if you are actually making that trip in 3 hours. We need to be making rail more time and comfort competitive, spending the minimum dollars for the maximum effect, which means time from departure to arrival, not the vanity of maximum speed. We need to build a lot of infrastructure to make that happen, but it should be for the maximum benefit. It may be that the best way to achieve reduced travel times also happens to reduce risks associated with freight rail operations, and make them more competitive with highways as well. Again, if you are stuck in a car, because you are moving your sister to Montreal for school, would you not be happier to have fewer trucks and cars sharing the road with you?

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